Since Part 1 was closed, I started this one to continue the conversation. 

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Right! That’s why this girl gives me Dani her crab year lol

Kaylon Voovam said:

And... neither did Danni or Taylor. Please don’t start shaming these girls before they even start band camp yall.

Leo said:

she aint got no edges

StingetteFan said:

Lindsey 

You can’t argue with these Shirly fans. Let them live in their delusions and keep it moving. Real ones know the TRUTH. 

Drammy04 said:

Well, y’all got the HBCU dance affair, Milk Mafia, Prancing Elites and all star teams to go get your EXTRA life and be slayed. I’m so here for the return to regal-ness of last year and fire on the field. I hope it continues. I believe Gabby is the best “overall” Doll out of 16. I love watching her on the field. All of them actually. Neri’s technique is the best though if I recall.

Everyone is throwing a pity party for Jordan, but what about Gabby? Jordan made a choice to quit. Gabby was DRAGGED for dear life and I think it’s a punch in the face to put her through that and not have her be captain again. It should’ve never happened if that was the case, but it isn’t. That shows poor leadership in the band director and sponsor if that happens. 

That’s not even her damn hair, relax lol. Issa wig!!! 

Bwest said:

Stamper and Taylor got big foheads its a difference lol

Kaylon Voovam said:

And... neither did Danni or Taylor. Please don’t start shaming these girls before they even start band camp yall.

Leo said:

she aint got no edges

StingetteFan said:

Lindsey 

I think that gabby had to know that come tryouts it could go any way. She stepped up and did what she had to do, and hopefully, Akai has sat her and Jordan down both separately and together and talked with both of them. But I think with all of them having their last year, they will all have an opportunity to lead, hopefully.

But yes, I agree there’s poor leadership in how things are handled. It should’ve never come to all this. I also think there’s a less sympathy for gabby because people felt as if she didn’t deserve it, even if that wasn’t the case. If it had been anyone else (with the exception of Taylor), I don’t think the fans would’ve been upset or anyone else.

Drammy04 said:

Well, y’all got the HBCU dance affair, Milk Mafia, Prancing Elites and all star teams to go get your EXTRA life and be slayed. I’m so here for the return to regal-ness of last year and fire on the field. I hope it continues. I believe Gabby is the best “overall” Doll out of 16. I love watching her on the field. All of them actually. Neri’s technique is the best though if I recall.

Everyone is throwing a pity party for Jordan, but what about Gabby? Jordan made a choice to quit. Gabby was DRAGGED for dear life and I think it’s a punch in the face to put her through that and not have her be captain again. It should’ve never happened if that was the case, but it isn’t. That shows poor leadership in the band director and sponsor if that happens. 

I wasn't concerned nor am I now concerned with Haymer, so I wouldn't have seen anything from him.

I'm calm. You're presenting information about Jordan's revelation as though it isn't the basis of my argument. I saw the photo and I read her post. She said it was the night he told her she was captain, and she went on to argue about how all of the directors should've been on the same page. 

What all did Taylor do? How are you going to dictate to him how he should run his band? Who cares if everybody knew who HAYMER wanted? He wasn't the director anymore. I'm willing to listen to more explanations, but their maximum effective range is zero. We've had enough whining from her and about her for the past year. I've had my fill of it. If she's back, enjoy it. 

Lisa McDaniel said:

To clarify, and Haymer both posted it after everything popped off. It was a photo of them at the banquet and a cake with her as the captain for that year next to the drum majors.  he could have...but he didn’t. Doesn’t change that Taylor didn’t have to do all of that either. I’m just saying that everybody knew. I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree about her silently running to administration just so that it can happen to yet another girl.  

I dont care care one way or the other because the organization will be fine.i just don’t agree with your stance on how last years situation should’ve been handled by her. Calm down. You’re good. 

P.H. said:

I wasn't at the banquet. I'm guessing you were there so you heard the announcement? The information Jordan gave was that Haymer told her she was captain, that's it. It didn't specify anything else. He could've pulled her to the side. This doesn't change anything I've stated, my points still stand. You're feebly trying to apply confirmatory bias to justify what transpired because I assume you like her. I don't like Jordan as a Doll. I don't care about her as a dancer. The critiques I've expressed about her seemed to be shared by many others, and more importantly, as it relates to the board, the more sensible posters on here. 

Lisa McDaniel said:

it wasn’t just Haymer, everybody knew. It was announced at the band banquet and at the time, it was his band his rules. He couldn’t have dropped the ball on his administration. If they can announce the drum major they can definitely announce captain prior to. 

So I get what you’re saying, but there’s decorum to be had, and there’s no reason for that situation to be handled by Taylor the way that it was over something that had more to do with ego than talent. Wrong is wrong.

The was cut and likely never in her life felt she should be captain of returning. She didn’t even want to lead the dolls out. People speaking up about things that are WRONG is not the problem, it’s the toxicity itself and poor communication skills. Y’all are always horrified when the dolls real personalities and traits reveal themselves as anything other than prim and proper, so I can take her word when she says there are issues. 

It’s not like she said much worst than maya. She left because she knew her worth, and I don’t think that I can personally be upset with that. Plus, isn’t Jordan fighting back respectively originally what cost her the position in the first place allegedly?

I respect you wanting to uphold the organization, but I just didn’t see it that way.

I can respect her not being your cup of tea as a dancer.
P.H. said:

Perhaps you didn't read my other post in the other thread, but I stated that if anyone dropped the ball, it was Haymer. Taylor didn't owe Jordan squat. Taylor wasn't obligated to honor any of Haymer's wishes. Again, your delivery can diminish your message. It wasn't a matter of if it was right or wrong, which is subjective, it was how it was handled and presented. It was in poor taste, and no one is going to change my mind nor will any heckling about her danceability.

A cop could do their job ethically and morally nine times out of ten, but it takes that one mishap to be exposed.. and their character and credibility are tarnished. Tyelier got cut. She kept her mouth shut, at least from my recollection, and returned the next year to her spot. Hell. Most of the J-settes in 2015 were cut; most of them kept their mouth shut and fought back respectfully. They ended up earning their spots back. She isn't the first dancer to have fallen prey to poor logistics and conflict resolution.



Lisa McDaniel said:

Maybe they let her do it because they knew that THEY were wrong for how they handled things. Y’all are talking about how people act when they don’t get their way but never ever hold the sponsors and directors accountable. Her speaking out about how toxic things could be was likely not a lie, and she always wanted everyone to support the organization, etc.  maybe her speaking out is what resulted in the good changes we’ve seen. It’s not fair to put all that on her and just tell her to shut up because you want to look at smoke and mirrors.

P.H. said:

Because she didn't get her way. I have no respect whatsoever! It's the Brett Kavanaugh maneuver! LMAO! The spot is tainted.

Anatasia1100 said:

But when she made the squad in 2018 and Gabby was announced as captain she quit so why would she be invited back in 2019 just to dance behind Gabby when she could've just did that in 2018? That doesn't make sense... 

P.H. said:

Why would it be appropriate? Why is Jordan entitled to be captain? I don't understand what's so exceptional about her that she was able to quit the team, make a spectacle of it while badmouthing the organization, and have a spot guaranteed for her the following year. The spot could've gone to Jordyn or another deserving Doll hopeful. 

Vamped09 said:

Even tho I’m not at all excited about Jordan being back I think it would be appropriate if her and Gabby was co captains I still prefer gabby over Jordan 

Gabby was not “dragged for dear life”. A few bad comments on YouTube wasn’t gonna make her jump off a bridge, or at least it shouldn’t have. 

Find a time where I even critiqued Jordan about her videos when she discussed or complained about Doll tryouts/captain. Don't worry, I'll wait.  

I literally ONLY care about what this squad looks like in terms of uniform and presentation, and their form and field work.  I could care less about their personal lives.  It's Dolls, not the Louisiana Legislature. 

P.H. said:

If you have any critiques about how Dolls should conduct themselves this time around, particularly out of uniform, I'm going to call you out on it. 

SUarchitect said:

1) you can't apply your logic to her reasoning. 

2) She was right to be emotional about losing captain due to the changing of hands with leadership. Wasn't smart to go public but spilt milk at this point. 

Yall please give this girl a break. Lol   

Alicia Wax said:

Finish what?! Why does serving 4 years as a doll mean you “finished” something? I just said, to me it will look dumb for her to be back and not be up front. I honestly want her in the back. I don’t want her to lead at all! But personally, if you are going to cause all this drama and claw your way back to an organization that you so called despise, then you need to be captain. That’s just my opinion though.

SUarchitect said:

You're judging this girl for wanting to finish what she started. That's not fair.  Jordan is an excellent dancer and a very disciplined student. What's another Fall semester as Doll if shes going to be enrolled anyway? 

Furthermore, why would she get Captain over Micah and Taneria, who at this point have been on the team just as long as she has, and was present for last season?

Alicia Wax said:

Jordan is crazy as hell if she comes back only to dance behind Gabby. She could have did that last year with her salty ass (she had every right to be salty) but come on. She has to be captain, why else would she come back? To be in the back? You’re prolonging nursing school to be a background dancer? Sis... dolls is not a career path. I’m sorry. School should be first.



Truth_Serum said:

Hold your horses people! Nothing has been confirmed yet! Remember last year and the year before that! Don’t get your nickers in a bunch!

She was drageed by randoms and her captain. Cut it out! 

Swimphan said:

Gabby was not “dragged for dear life”. A few bad comments on YouTube wasn’t gonna make her jump off a bridge, or at least it shouldn’t have. 

Blah. If you make any critiques about how Dolls should conduct themselves, particularly outside of uniform, but isn't limited to outside of uniform, we're going to bump heads. 

SUarchitect said:

Find a time where I even critiques Jordan about her videos. Don't worry, I'll wait.  

I literally ONLY care about what this squad looks like interns of uniform and presentation, and their form and field work.  I could care less about their personal lives.  It's Dolls, not the Louisiana Legislature. 

P.H. said:

If you have any critiques about how Dolls should conduct themselves this time around, particularly out of uniform, I'm going to call you out on it. 

SUarchitect said:

1) you can't apply your logic to her reasoning. 

2) She was right to be emotional about losing captain due to the changing of hands with leadership. Wasn't smart to go public but spilt milk at this point. 

Yall please give this girl a break. Lol   

Alicia Wax said:

Finish what?! Why does serving 4 years as a doll mean you “finished” something? I just said, to me it will look dumb for her to be back and not be up front. I honestly want her in the back. I don’t want her to lead at all! But personally, if you are going to cause all this drama and claw your way back to an organization that you so called despise, then you need to be captain. That’s just my opinion though.

SUarchitect said:

You're judging this girl for wanting to finish what she started. That's not fair.  Jordan is an excellent dancer and a very disciplined student. What's another Fall semester as Doll if shes going to be enrolled anyway? 

Furthermore, why would she get Captain over Micah and Taneria, who at this point have been on the team just as long as she has, and was present for last season?

Alicia Wax said:

Jordan is crazy as hell if she comes back only to dance behind Gabby. She could have did that last year with her salty ass (she had every right to be salty) but come on. She has to be captain, why else would she come back? To be in the back? You’re prolonging nursing school to be a background dancer? Sis... dolls is not a career path. I’m sorry. School should be first.



Truth_Serum said:

Hold your horses people! Nothing has been confirmed yet! Remember last year and the year before that! Don’t get your nickers in a bunch!

where did Dani drag her? and what did Taylor do that ppl on here talking abt

Alicia Wax said:

She was drageed by randoms and her captain. Cut it out! 

Swimphan said:

Gabby was not “dragged for dear life”. A few bad comments on YouTube wasn’t gonna make her jump off a bridge, or at least it shouldn’t have. 

They all get “drageed,” dear. As long as no one is stepping to you, then pay it. 



Alicia Wax said:

She was drageed by randoms and her captain. Cut it out! 

Swimphan said:

Gabby was not “dragged for dear life”. A few bad comments on YouTube wasn’t gonna make her jump off a bridge, or at least it shouldn’t have. 

I'll say what TF I CHOOSE to say. Thanks. 

P.H. said:

Blah. If you make any critiques about how Dolls should conduct themselves, particularly outside of uniform, but isn't limited to outside of uniform, we're going to bump heads. 

SUarchitect said:

Find a time where I even critiques Jordan about her videos. Don't worry, I'll wait.  

I literally ONLY care about what this squad looks like interns of uniform and presentation, and their form and field work.  I could care less about their personal lives.  It's Dolls, not the Louisiana Legislature. 

P.H. said:

If you have any critiques about how Dolls should conduct themselves this time around, particularly out of uniform, I'm going to call you out on it. 

SUarchitect said:

1) you can't apply your logic to her reasoning. 

2) She was right to be emotional about losing captain due to the changing of hands with leadership. Wasn't smart to go public but spilt milk at this point. 

Yall please give this girl a break. Lol   

Alicia Wax said:

Finish what?! Why does serving 4 years as a doll mean you “finished” something? I just said, to me it will look dumb for her to be back and not be up front. I honestly want her in the back. I don’t want her to lead at all! But personally, if you are going to cause all this drama and claw your way back to an organization that you so called despise, then you need to be captain. That’s just my opinion though.

SUarchitect said:

You're judging this girl for wanting to finish what she started. That's not fair.  Jordan is an excellent dancer and a very disciplined student. What's another Fall semester as Doll if shes going to be enrolled anyway? 

Furthermore, why would she get Captain over Micah and Taneria, who at this point have been on the team just as long as she has, and was present for last season?

Alicia Wax said:

Jordan is crazy as hell if she comes back only to dance behind Gabby. She could have did that last year with her salty ass (she had every right to be salty) but come on. She has to be captain, why else would she come back? To be in the back? You’re prolonging nursing school to be a background dancer? Sis... dolls is not a career path. I’m sorry. School should be first.



Truth_Serum said:

Hold your horses people! Nothing has been confirmed yet! Remember last year and the year before that! Don’t get your nickers in a bunch!

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